#daemyra vs. showrunners

[lanaisdoe]

okay, so they basically decided to cut everything showing how HUMAN, DEEP, LOVING and CARING Daemon really was !!! This is just unforgivable, i'm 1000% done with them !!!

ALL OF THESE SCENES SOUND JUST EPIC and some of them are even pretty damn CRUCIAL !!!

Instead, they should've cut at least HALF of the neverending absurdity that was the scene of Aemond chasing Luke just for kicks! Now THAT was ridiculously long and they mostly just showed clouds, clouds, clouds and him laughing - absurd. And most importantly, they should've cut the most idiotic scene in history of GOT - the choking scene which only existed in Condal's head and even the actors were firmly against it and could not understand it, which they even voiced in the interviews.

For the billionth time: With these gems of scenes being deleted for the stupid scenes that the showrunners left in, I just cannot trust them, especially Condal and Hess.

And what is worst, they even refused Matt when he begged to have the scenes released - what is even going on??? :((( we deserved better, Matt, our dearest, deserved better !!!

#release the daemon cut [insp]

[chrkrose]

Let’s talk about Racism and the House of The Dragon/Daemyra Fandom

So, a few days ago, while discussing a point concerning Daemon’s character in a Reddit thread, and bringing up Nettles because it was pertinent to the discussion in question, I was called a “desperate black woman with low self esteem”. I was also stalked through several threads in different subreddits related to House of The Dragon, and received DMs with Reddit Package Care (for those who don’t know, it’s very common on Reddit to send those to people you are harassing, since the Reddit Care Resources talks about suicide prevention and offers help to those who have Suicidal ideation or are self harming. Is a twisted way of at best tell someone to kill themselves or at worse, subtlety threaten them).

In another incident on the same day, on another thread about the Daemyra beach sex scene, the OP had brighten up said scene as we all know it was terribly shot in terms of lightening. A few people commented the actors lacked chemistry. I joked about this, commenting the same thing. Like stated, I wasn’t the only one to say so. I was then questioned by a few people on my comment, asking me why I was “obsessed” with the idea of Nettles and Daemon being a couple, since they had researched my profile, checking my posts and comments, and came to the conclusion that I talked too much about the two characters, and quote “have a penchant for calling people who dislike your ship insecure or racist”. When I explained my initial comment wasn’t to be taken so seriously, and that my support for the ship was loud because the racist against the character was loud, I was dismissed as “obsessed with the weird fantasy of those two as a couple. She posts about it all the time. It’s low key pathetic”.

I have some observations about these two unrelated but oh so correlated incidents. First, I have no problems shipping and being obsessed with a ship. I mean, I am obsessed with book!Jaime and book!Brienne to the point I’m hosting an exchange on them (btw, deadlines are approaching uhuu. Can’t wait). I was obsessed with Caryl for a loooong time. I shipped Stiles and Malia to the point of waking up in the early hours so I could watch a new episode drop. These are just a few of my long list of ships. Point is, if I was obsessed with Nettles and Daemon, oh everyone would know. I am not tho. Yet. Emphasis on that, because depending on how the show turns out, they might be a constant thing in my blog for years.

I am loud in my support of Nettles being adapted not only as one of the most motherfucker interesting female dragonriders to ever exist, but also as a romantic love interest that she might have been on the books though because, as a person of color myself, it’s exhausting to read over and over again horrible takes about a character who has always been sidelined and neglected and forgotten by the simple fact she’s not white, and disregarded as a possible contender for a romantic arc with fave ugly white boy of the month just because she’s possibly black. Because that’s the reason. I KNOW when the dislike for a character comes from their possible involvement in breaking your favorite ship vs when it comes from racism disguised as “I just don’t ship them”.

Nothing said about me when it comes to shipping gets on my nerves. I don’t give a fuck tbh. I love some good ship war. I love mess. I love engaging in discussions where both sides are screaming about how their ship is better than the other. Its fun. It’s interesting. Fandom experience for me wouldn’t be the same if those things didn’t exist. One of my best times on tumblr and Twitter was talking about pairings I rooted for, and ranting over it with friends on DMs. Some of the best people I’m friends with nowadays came from being petty together that our favorite couple was destroyed by showrunners in favor of another or gloating about having a ship going canon.

Now when it comes to racism… that’s where things take a turn. When it comes to racism disguised as shipping discourse, that’s where it stops being fun and becomes something of “if they think they are loud, oh I can be so much louder”.

I’m gonna finish this long ass post with a simple question tbh: HoTD fandom, or more specifically, Daemyra shippers, if to hear that your ship might be bland or that the actors have no chemistry makes you irrationally angry, if you guys throw meltdowns over jokes about a bad filmed scene or a well based opinions on why your ship isn’t the fairytale you think they are… how do you think y’all would react if these were aimed towards one of your favorite characters?

[horizon-verizon]

https://www.tumblr.com/evebestthinker/751366825102770176/the-way-he-looks-at-her-as-if-no-one-else?source=share

It's funny that their relationship is so romanticized. Whether by showrunners or even people in general.

Corlys and Rhaenys in the original material have a bigger age difference than Daemyra, yet no one talks about grooming.

Rhaenys, from what I remember, certainly chose Corlys, but Rhaenyra also chose Daemon and everyone prefers to say that she was groomed to want her sexy old uncle... 🙄

The fact is that, apart from this age difference, Corlys only wanted Rhaenys to be queen for her own person and the name of her house, let's be realistic. And in Fire and Blood, it was actually Laenor and not Rhaenys who was actually proposed to the throne with Viserys.

Unlike Daemon, Corlys has also always shown a genuine interest in the throne, whether in HOTD or Fire and Blood. This guy fights for power and always goes against his wife's wishes in general.

Yet they are supposedly a great relationship ? A great marriage of love ? A couple goal ? People's double standards are astounding to me.

I will add that Corlys, aged 60 in Fire and Blood, is having sex, from what I remember, with a girl under 16 or in that age range it seems to me. In any case, a close age that Rhaenys was when he married her at the time, showing that he has a type of age range for women, unlike Daemon who in Fire and Blood was with women of varying ages.

So basically the directors of HOTD said to themselves that Corlys and Rhaenys would make a superb love story ? WTF seriously ? They keep talking about Daemyra's age difference but obviously it's only a problem when it's them and not the others.

Actually, what I'm trying to say is that... most of the criticisms leveled at Daemon : Bad father, bad husbands, way too old for his ultimate wife, power-hungry, throne-seeking, loving the girls are rather young... Well it's actually Corlys who ticks all the boxes. Show and or Book.

Disclaimer: This is to note the discrepancy that fandom does when it tries to bring up age differences, how biased people are towards Daemon. You can look to la-pheacienne's notes about GRRM and age differences HERE, where we talk abt Doylist vs Watsonian readings of GRRM's storytelling and over age diff creepiness vs what story the dude is telling in-world.

It mimics how people will say "Targs are colonizers" and then they ignore what the Westerosi did to the giants and twstsote/children of the forest. There's a clear bias and lack of reading being done, because yeah I agree. Like, Corlys is an impressive man, but that has little to do with this conversation topic. (For all who don't know, Corlys was 37 when 16-yr old Rhaenys chose him as her husband; Rhaenyra was born in 97, Daemon in 81; RhaneysxCorlys has a 21 diff, Daemyra has a 16 diff)

In the show, it makes way less sense as to why Rhaenys & Corlys are together. I did a TikTok abt it, but here it is:

Rhaenys has constantly said that she considers a "good" leader AND [good] person to be one who goes out of their way to avoid violence, war, or great conflicts. Someone who takes measures to make sure their own actions do not lead to conflicts that may hurt even more than themselves. Even at the cost of one's own political advantages. She values what HotD has implied is "self-restraint" & defends Rhaenyra from Corlys' saying everything is her fault [specifically by reasoning that out of all the men who are there, Rhaenyra is the one who is trying to not go to war or any battle]. She is also supposed to care very much for her daughter, Laena, and her own grandchildren through her. Supposedly above Corlys' interests (episodes 6-7). Compare this to Corlys' self-interest evidenced by his pushing for a Velaryon-marriage through his 12 year old daughter & keeping Lucerys as his heir DESPITE the would-have-been-clear discontent from Vaemond abt the Driftmark succession PLUS how the Velaryon boys wete not his grandkids biologically AND Rhaenys advis[ing] him to name [their] granddaughters instead. With every value and action these two take for & against their family and against the other's desires….For what the HotD writers & whoever responsible wrote for these two…. Why do we believe that this ship is one of the best ones --or even makes logical sense-- to earn the reputation of being one of the best during this part of ASoIaF history?! The [show]relationship doesn't stand up on its own without the looks & performances of its actors. It also gets away with the nonsensical dynamic in two other things:

the constant defense of "two canons"

the many time jumps that remove any possibility for us or the writers to show us how these two actually like each other & continue to like each other

Once again, Daemon was never a good person, but he is also not what is depicted in HotD and grooming does not = DV. they are not the same, thus you do not have to include DV with grooming by saying it "eventually" happens with groomers. Espe when GRRM has a track record for just stating abuse when it happens (Jaehaerys with Alysanne, her pushed to keep giving birth; Robert Baratheon with Cersei):

[lanaisdoe]

^^ all of THIS ...and especially this: There are two things which are absolutely canon:

1. Daemon was highly possessive of Rhaenyra. Man or woman, he would have struck down anyone who tried to touch her (those believing he would be okay with this are delusional).

2. Rhaenyra would have never cheated on Daemon. She loved him too much for that.

They are so desperate to promote their political agendas, that they are trying to turn everyone into gay/bi etc. Game of Thrones was spared. Wouldn’t have stood a chance if it came out now.

Can you imagine the nerve to force Rhaenyra to have an affair with someone like Mysaria of all people? This woman is a devious wench. She was never meant to be a confidant. She was the female version of Larys. Rhaenyra only tolerated her because Daemon was the one who insisted that she would be helpful. But she certainly wanted her husband’s ex-mistress out of her life.

This makes as much sense as the whole invented Rhaenyra/Alicent bullshit.

The way I see it go down in the writing room: we need to have two women kissing already. Don’t care who. Let’s toss a coin.

If they were that desperate, why didn’t they pursue a relationship which made sense from the start, like Rhaenyra and Laena?

Can they just come out and say that this show is only loosely inspired by the book? Or just cut ties with it officially? GRRM has already cut ties with the whole lot of them who ruined his work (don’t blame him).

There are two things which are absolutely canon:

1. Daemon was highly possessive of Rhaenyra. Man or woman, he would have struck down anyone who tried to touch her (those believing he would be okay with this are delusional).

2. Rhaenyra would have never cheated on Daemon. She loved him too much for that.

What they did this season is much worse than the first. Way worse. And this is not just me talking. It’s GRRM as well, who has not been shy about making his feelings on this whole thing quite clear. He went from “the show tells us what actually happened” to “the show and the book are two separate canons”. I rest my case.

[lanaisdoe]

....And apart from all of the above, let's not forget about the fact that GRRM made it clear that Daemon and Rhaenyra were SOUL BOUND. They literally bound their souls in an old Valyrian soul binding magic ritual and they died on the SAME DAY just months apart !!!

Daemon: 22nd day of the 5th moon of 130 AC

Rhaenyra: 22nd day of the 10th moon of 130 AC

For the last time. Rhaenyra had only one (1) true ally in this civil war. Only one (1) person who had her back, only one person she trusted. That person was her husband, with whom she raised a mini tribe of kids, the husband she wanted since forever, the husband who crowned her, the husband who advised her, the husband who never, ever, not once, challenged her authority as queen, the husband who avenged her kid from another man, the husband who gave his life to take down her biggest enemy. Any reading/take/interpretation/adaptation/retelling that dismisses this very simple plot point sucks ass. Cope ❤️

[lanaisdoe]

...also, let's not forget the fact that when GRRM was asked to name 3 things he loves most about his favorite character Daemon, HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH RHAENYRA was the first of them!!!

these two are literally soul bound, alright

I don't believe it... they continue with their delusion of Daemon being abusive towards Rhaenyra (at least bordering on physical violence)... ?! Ryan Condal really has a visceral problem with the character of Daemon and notably in view of his Rhaenicent propaganda... It's absolutely disgusting. I remind you that this kind of thing never happened in Fire and Blood. Daemon never challenged Rhaenyra's authority, at any time. There have never even been any suggestions about it even though the dance is literally written by pro greens maesters ! It's literally just there to demonize Daemon's character and add free violence towards a female character, as if this story didn't have enough of that in Fire and Blood ?! Yes, Daemon Targaryen was a man with violence in him, but a violence that was always directed towards his enemies, and not those he considered family and loved ! I'm outraged on a level you can't even imagine right now... When I think that Sara Hess spits on Daemon Targaryen (who is nothing that she and Ryan made for HOTD in general in Fire and Blood), but defends the behavior of Aegon II (rapist as much in Fire and Blood as HOTD)... When I say that those who make this show have a real problem of perspective on the history of dance and are pro Greens !

[lanaisdoe]

No but Daemon had ALWAYS been super devoted to Rhaenyra, her cause, their family, their kids - even those that were not of him, he never differentiated between his and Nyra's kids and was set on having Jace as the heir... Daemon literally LIVED for his family, he ultimately never took anything for himself - not the throne, not the crown, wasn't going to put his blood on throne - he literally lived, killed and died for his fam.

HOW is that not daddy Daemon? How is that not hubby Daemon?!

I'm looking at you WRITERS !! HOW?!

How is Hess saying she doesn't see it?! that she is shocked to see 'daddy daemon'?! How is Condal writing a choking scene - what an abomination, for real! I mean, was Daemon capable of monstrosities?! HELL YEAH ! Was he capable of monstrosities against his very own family?! HELL NO!

HOW. DO. THEY. REFUSE. TO. SEE. IT ? How?! At this point, it's just being dead set on villifying Daemon on their part + making Nyra a victim, i have no other explanations. Destroying GRRM's vision...

HOUSE OF THE DRAGON S01E10: The Black Queen | dir. Greg Yaitanes

[lanaisdoe]

THIS MOMENT WAS EPIC, why is it only Matt and Paddy who know, who FEEL what this shows needs :")

It's literally always MATT that comes up with the scenes that end up being ICONIC, just like this one was only HIS idea:

and this one, it was also Matt who pushed it, and Emma supported it

THANK YOU, SIR PADDY!!!

[lanaisdoe]

yeah, finally, thank god. Only, this should've been the ONLY Daemon of the Dance era. Book Daemon NEVER left her, he never left his family, his children, and book Rhaenyra never thought he was pathetic, never sent him away like that, never ever thought of anything with anyone else, only ever Daemon. She never freaking doubted his loyalty to her as his queen, and even when she was manipulated into thinking he cheated on her, she only just wanted him to come back to her! And Daemon never had any fantasies about his mother and never freaking ever thought of stealing his wife's throne, the wife he had CROWNED himself and made everyone bend their knees to, he had been fighting that war for HER and their children from the beginning till the end, and i could go on and on but i will just pretend the entirety of the fanfic that is S2 never happened. It's disappointing that this one scene here is the only scene that's even remotely similar to the real book Daemon and Rhaenyra's vibes...remotely.

Finally after spending the whole season hallucinating in harrenhal, THE daemon is coming back 😂

[lanaisdoe]

^ SAME... no hopes for the writers, nor Emma's Rhaenyra, not anymore.

At this point I am only looking forward to seeing Matt...the only good thing about HOTD at this point...

I'm glad they reconciled.. But we already knew Daemon loved Rhaenyre.

What about her?

After episode 6 I have a hard time trusting Emma's Rhaenyra ( and writers).

[lanaisdoe]

^ oh man..... THIS explains so, SO MUCH, friends...

( *cough* Hess=rape apologist, daemon and daemyra hater + Condal=choking fan, daemon and daemyra hater, showrunners whitewashing greens and vilifying blacks, taking away ALL OF Rhaenyra's but also Alicent's agenda, blaming all the men of the series and so on and so forth *cough* and so much more...)

GRRM we're sorry and we stand WITH YOU. I have said it billion times, HotD showrunners are massacring deep, logical, multi-layered story... and our HotD actors seem to be the only ones who truly understand GRRM's characters - looking mainly at you Matt!!!, Paddy, Emma...)

for the ones still think grrm writes hotd script

[lanaisdoe]

^ let's just hope the showrunners don't decide to change this book bit, they've changed much already....

Whatever her powers, it would seem Daemon Targaryen was immune to them. — Fire and Blood

...this one would be pretty damn telling, Daemon loved Rhaenyra and wasn't interested in others despite the dubious rumours.. He lived and died for Rhaenyra......

i saw the audition tape too. alys’ “seducing” daemon also happens in the book.

Whatever her powers, it would seem Daemon Targaryen was immune to them. — Fire and Blood

i love that alys rivers, called the “witch queen,” tries to flirt and manipulate daemon only for her to fail, and do the same thing on aemond and it worked because he’s a loser. 😂

💀🤣 Ahem, I love that. That's funny. Nothing for us to fear (at least in this way adfhgj)

[lanaisdoe]

^ exactly, this. It's absurd. Sometimes i feel second-hand embarrassment for the writers.

It's a shame they decided to change, and i'd say ruin, the source material completely, creating time/cultural inconsistencies (acting like sexual maturity/general marriage age of Westeros was 21, as if it was not 14-15 as it actually used to be back in those times, acting like Targaryens marrying each other was something disgusting, and not sth absolutely NORMAL for their race and family, Viserys shouting "she's your niece!!!" at Daemon, while Viserys himself had married his very own cousin Aemma + shouting "she's just a girl" at Daemon for wanting a 17-year old while Viserys himself had married a 11 year-old Aemma and then 18-year old Alicent, but ok) or Daemon giving the absurd "you were a child" explanation for not marrying 17-year old Rhaenyra while on the show he married a 17-year-old-looking (and also on the show much younger than Rhaenyra Laena - remember Milly on the tourney and the child-Laena actress next to her with child Laenor?)- like, where's your logic sir???? - the writers just pushed their 21st century views on the ancient society of magic and dragons - that's Hess and Condal for you), then of course making characters they dislike seem much more evil than they're actually supposed to be (Daemon), making some look like s*luts for no reason at all (inexperienced Rhaenyra feeling hot after making otu with Daemon, going straight to seducing Cole, basically EVEN forcing him to have her, then turning him down only to hint at continuation of their encounters casually, all the while she's still thinking of Daemon and then even pleads Daemon to take her and make her his wife... /Though I'd say it was pretty clear from the source material that Cole and Rhaenyra were strictly platonic IF anything and that most likely Daemon and Nyra did actually do at least something before they got married years later - but no, the writers apparently wanted some shock content + they obviously hate Daemon and Targaryen interbreeding, and the maturity at an early age of those old times is absolutely incomprehensible for them.), then taking away characters' agenda (Rhaenyra, Alicent), or creating an illusion of a strong friendship, almost romantic relationship, between two characters who actually hated each other (Rhaenyra, Alicent) making some characters way better than they were, defending their atrocities (Aegon,Aemon), making Rhaenyra subdue Daemon and blame him for warmongering, while in reality they were each other's mirrors and wanted the same. Hinting that Daemon only married Rhaenyra cuz he viewed her as "an extension of Viserys" whom he actually loved and wanted, or Daemon abusing Rhaenyra physically, choking her for sth Viserys had not told him (REALLY ??????), painting her out to be a victim of domestic violence, or Rhaenyra crying over a book page from Alicent after the Greens' betrayal and stopping Daemon from killing Otto, cuz as writers have mentioned (paraphrasing) "at that moment she saw Otto as her recently deceased father' i mean–– what in the.....???

And we could go on and on...

The examples of the inconsistencies and how HORRIBLY the HotD's Condal and Hess ruined everything are endless and i feel my blood boil just thinking about it............. at this point HotD seems to be just Hess and Condal's very, very bad, illogical fanfiction.

99% of our fandom's fanfics are billion times more logical than this MESS that HotD now is.... I actually cringe at some moments.... And you have no idea how scared i am of what i might see in HotD 2 ...

The only reason i watched and will watch the show is DAEMYRA... and by Daemyra i mean the book Daemyra and Matt and Milly's and Emma's performance and chemistry.

Got this pointed out to me.

In HotD's 7th episode, Daemon says to Rhaenyra he couldn't stay beside her or get into a relationship bc she was a child. However, he marries Laena, who in the show is much younger than Rhaenyra....

Another writing inconsistency.

[lanaisdoe]

^^ THIS !!! omg, it's official! Matt and Emma, actors playing their characters UNDERSTAND it was BS. Daemyra fans UNDERSTAND. Casual HotD fans UNDERSTAND. Our parents who don't even remember the names of the characters UNDERSTAND. Even many of the fans who hate Daemon and Rhaenyra still RAISED EYEBROW at that scene! The best and most praised scene of 1x10 was Daemon+Rhaenyra's final handholding moment (which was not even scripted, only ADDED by Matt and Emma themselves!!!)

And then there are Hess and Condal, looking at all of us like YOU peasants just DON'T GET IT, WE know better

So yeah, everyone's nuts but THEY see the truth they haven't been able to portray, nor make believable. Well done. Showrunners never learn.

The mere idea of the scene was idiotic, and yet Matt and Emma most likely tried to make the most of it, soften it, make it seem less nuts by making Daemon and Rhaenyra look like it was a mix of frustration/pain/yearning/passion,

rather than just plain fury+hatred+violence which is the absolute OPPOSITE of what Daemyra's rship has been about in the ENTIRETY of S1 and only exist in Condal and Hess's heads, apparently... duuude...

Matt and Emma, THANK YOU, thank you for EVERYTHING.

every single person watching the show + mattemma thinking this was absolute bullshit

[lanaisdoe]

^ THIS

You want to spit on Daemon for the delusion of him always abandoning Rhaenyra to justify the kiss with Mysaria ?

Well, complain to the writers instead of the character, who in the canon of the original work never actually abandoned Rhaenyra...

It's all just an invention by Ryan Condal for drama and unnecessary shock.

Nothing more.

In addition obviously to his strange agenda of taking down Daemon ?

In addition, this whole scenario where Daemon by Harrenhal started from another shitty scenario which makes no sense with the Lore of GRRM, and also what, the whole show, was given before on Daemyra...

Again, all this mess comes from the reaction to the death of Aegon II's son which once again I remind you has no logic with the Lore of GRRM...

Not to mention Rhaenyra blaming Daemon for not letting her consider a deal that literally consisted of giving their children hostage ? WTF ?

Regardless, people who defend the writing of this show scare me a little...

[lanaisdoe]

yes... :( and despite everything, and after all... i still feel like 1x10 WAS in fact sorta out of character... i understand everything, yes. But I don't understand.

I understand grief and shock and horror and fear change people BUT... you have this person you've literally worshipped and protected since the beginning of times, the only one you have set apart:

No matter what happens in your guys' life, i'm sorry but i don't think you can realistically go from holding her hand at all times possible,

constantly checking for any sign of danger, ready to murder anyone brutally for even just glaring at her or god forbid saying anything against her,

accepting her as she is with all her baggage, all her serious problems, her destroyed reputation and her whole bunch of enemies, you accept her with EVERYTHING that comes from her, her children you accept and raise as your own sons,

i don't think you can go from laughing out of joy over retrieving eggs for your and your wifey's babies,

and literally revere and worship every inch of her

- and then come 1x10 and all of a sudden you don't even touch her/look at her (!!!) when she gets into early labour all of a sudden, you don't go check on her (i can understand trying to SECURE Dragonstone for them in the first place, arrange defenses etc but at least show him going to her RIGHT AFTER, christ!!), you don't talk about it, you don't even try to support her, on top of that all you start choking her when you lose it - HER OF ALL PEOPLE, the one you've been protecting, killing for and ready to die for for YEARS, MOTHER of your children, the one you'd desperately yearned for for over a decade before you married her by binding your souls in an ancient blood ritual - like no wtf, YOU CAN go on and try to convince me it was logical for Daemon and Rhaenyra to behave so coldly to each other during the last ep, HBO, showrunners, but you're NOT FOOLING ME okay!!! go give 85788955664 more interviews about how it was in character and i will give you quadrillion of reasons why it WASN'T. Just no. Not for the Daemon and the Rhaenyra we've come to know in the TV show.

(You know... perhaps if the deleted scenes were in, it would've made SOME SENSE at least. But the way it was in the end it felt forced. It was just not believable. Believe me I tried to understand it and i did try to look at it from all kind of possible and impossible angles but just no. It does not make sense.

Like, y'know, the brothel scene, Daemon pushing her off him angrily almost violently, that DID make sense and I totally understand why Daemon did that despite it showing the violent side of Daemon but it was logical and it was not that he hated her, still, he did it NOT TO HURT HER, he was protecting her and it was very in character for TV Daemon. Then the wedding angry neck grab and pulling her in but also having that expression of a maniac on :D - yes, even that made sense for them yes. They'd had a heated sorta argument, she provoked him, he was frustrated, perhaps even angry at her and himself and hating the whole world for the situation they were in, but again, HE DID NOT do anything that could hurt her or her reputation and just left. Again, it was very much in character for violent but loving Rhaenyra Daemon.

But 1x10 choking her?! he would never, not this Daemon. He could shout at her in his fit, he could tell her she's weak and like Viserys and that he despises it, he could destroy the whole room, he could kill a random servant or messenger in anger, he could go burn down some places on Caraxes, he could even neck-grab her like at the wedding, shake her to put some sense into her, all of that i could see this Daemon do. But CHOKE her?! There's just something very off about that single action, not this Daemon.

Also, the coldness, like dude? No touching. Practically no proximity. Not even ONE single loving look or nod of Rhaenyra to Daemon, i know they were grieving, but like a mini nod, mini hand squeeze for comfort, to show "yeah i'm here, i'm not leaving". That'd be logical. But no. (only Matt Smith gave us that in the last scene, thank god for YOU, i worship you Matt, you're the best daemyra supporter,okay!!!!!)

I ultimately feel like the writers/showrunners were trying to push drama there, and were purposely keeping them at distance and without any line practically, cuz if they had a talk, we would all feel and see the deep connection clearly despite their dreadful situation...

I've recently seen many people say that when things in tv shows turn out super out of character, people just tend to ignore it and move on. Let's hope the writers will stop messing up like this - sometimes it feels like they're just being stubborn, they've created their own idea of the characters in their heads probably based on their own issues or regrets or their own past offences and pain, and they project their views on the characters (also what's up with pushing of the 'poor hesitant women and bad violent men' agenda?! i hate it so much, that's a horrible portrayal of women but men as well) they completely ignore the way it's turning out on screen, completely ignore what the actors do with the characters, where they lead them, what they add to them. Like with Daemon and Rhaenyra - if you were just reading the script, some of the scenes would sound pretty ordinary, but then you put Matt and Emma together or Matt and Milly, and the scene is transformed into a rainbow of emotions. And i feel like some of the writers just keep looking into their scripts ignoring what's happening in reality and therefore are shocked afterwards when fans see what they are shown, simple as that. Perhaps it's time for the writers to look away from their papers and get out of their little world and look at the REALITY we all see on TV ... /frustration/ perhaps then you wouldn't have to EXPLAIN in interviews what you WANTED TO show. So unprofessional and embarrassing. Stop.Being.Stubborn.PLEASE. Relax and go with the flow, writers, HBO - don't let them ruin it, please.

For me THIS is Daemyra now and forever. Their bond really goes beyond Love.

Last scene of Rhaenyra & Daemon being just wife & husband. After this scene everything changed for them 💔

@malewifedaemon_targaryen